Minutes June 4-2008

Degrees and Certificates Committee


Minutes
June 4, 2008 2pm-4pm

Sylvania CC Conference Room

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Susanne Christopher

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Kathleen Bradach

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Phil Christain

 

Eriks Puris

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Kendra Cawley

 

Tony Zable

 

Michael Flaman

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Anita Gibson

 

Dave Stout

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Loretta Goldy

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Janeen Hull

Committee Support:

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Amy Alday-Murray

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Veronica Garcia

 

Rick Aman

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Steve Ward

Stacey Timmins

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Davonna Livingston

Guests:

Lori Gates via phone

Gabe Hunter-Bernstein

Sanda Williams

Ron Bekey

Art Schneider

Cheryl Scott

Dave Kerchner

Rebecca Mathern

Scot Leavitt

Jan Abushakrah

Old Business:

New Business and Minutes:

2:00 Curriculum Office Update: 

1-Below is a list of title changes needed in our 08-09 catalog to be in compliance with the State:

  • “Commercial” to be added to the Structural and Mechanical Inspection Certificate to match state title.
  • 2yr  Automotive  Service Repair Technology changed from Automotive Service Technology
  • AAS Emergency Medical Technician-Paramedic changed from Emergency Medical Technician
  • 1yr Emergency Telecommunicator/911 Dispatcher changed from Emergency Telecommunicator
  • 1yr Landscape Service Technician changed from Landscape Services Technology
  • 1yr Web Site Development changed from Web Site Development and Design

Programs impacted by these title changes may wish to change the titles back to their original title in the 09-10 catalog.  Programs on this list may do so through a consent agenda by notifying Davonna.  Other programs seeking a title change will need to go through the D/C process, as is current practice.

2:00 Curriciulum Office asked for reaffirmation about whether sub 100 courses be counted in the first 90 credits of a degree.   D/C committee members reaffirmed that below 100 level courses (predominantly math) are not allowed to be counted in the first 90 credits of the AAS, ASOT in Business, AS and AAOT degrees.  Discussion about this matter with regards to AGS degree will occur at a later date.  Kathleen confirmed that current practice is to count MTH 65 in the AGS degree.

2:15 (New) AAS Retail Management - Cheryl Scott - Retail Management, after consultation with the statewide degree consortium, Cheryl presented a modified AAS degree.   Two General Education courses, one from Science and Math area and the other from any distribution area, were added into the Spring Terms for both years. A motion to approve was made by Loretta with the amended course titles to match those at PCC. Kendra seconded the motion. The motion was approved for recommendation.

Art Schneider addressed the need for PCC to be more proactive in the future in working with the consortiums. Susanne has will bring this up at the next DOI/EAC Leaders meeting

2:30 (Revision) AAS Web Site Development and Design - Ron Bekey - Proposed adding MM 110 class to the required classes. It is felt that Web students would benefit from the MM component. It adds one credit to both the degree and the certificate. Discussion occurred on the Math 65 course requirement. This requirement was removed   eight credits of General Education were added to the Development and Design Requirements section to equal 65 credits. The total number of credits for the degree is 98. A motion was made to approve by Kendra and Phil seconded. Motion was approved for recommended changes.

         (Revision) Certificate Web Site Development - Ron Bekey - Proposed adding MM 110 class to the required group of classes. It is felt that Web students would benefit from the MM component. It adds one credit to both the degree and the certificate. The certificate would change from 48 to 49 credits. Related Instruction: Kendra stated that the CAS 280W Cooperative Education should be removed because it would need to go before the Curriculum Committee prior to being included in the related instruction category. Susanne agreed and the CAS 280W was removed. A motion to approve was made by Kendra and Phil seconded. Motion was approved.

2:45 (New) AAS Industrial Maintenance Technology - Lori Gates/Fred Smith - Now under the Facilities Maintenance SAC.  The FMT SAC has agreed to provide oversight to this new AAS degree.  Discussions with Tillamook Bay CC lead to the dropping of two courses in the original AAS degree and replacing them with electives. A motion to approve was made by Kendra and Janeen seconded. Motion was approved for recommendation.

       (New) Certificate Industrial Maintenance Technology - Lori Gates/Fred Smith -  Same curricular change as AAS degree.  A motion to approve was made by Kendra and Janeen seconded. Motion was approved.

3:00 (Revision) AAS Paraeducator - Gabe Hunter-Bernstein - Now a state wide degree/certificate for Paraeducation.  Revision to Outcome statements to reflect state wide degree/certificate outcomes. New for the state and is an outcomes based certificate rather than a course base certificate. PCC courses go above and beyond what is required by the state. With this adjustment all students who acquire the Paraeducator degree will meet with all of the No Child Left Behind requirements. Only outcome revisions were made. The AAS degree paperwork provided contained only 51 credits, but in fact requires 90. Gabe acknowledged that this was a paperwork error and that he would be providing the Curriculum office with the correct paperwork as soon as possible. A motion was made by Anita and seconded by Phil. In further discussion, it was recommended that the advising sheet for Paraeducation be revised to reflect not including MTH 65 in the first 90.  Motion was approved

          (Revision) Certificate-Paraeducator - Gabe Hunter-Bernstein - Revision to Outcome Statements to reflect state wide degree/certificate for Paraeducation. New for the state and is an outcomes based cert rather than a course base certificate. PCC courses go above and beyond what is required by the state. With this adjustment all students who acquire the Paraeducator degree will meet with all of the No Child Left Behind requirements. Only outcome revisions were made. Motion was made by Anita and seconded by Phil.  Motion was approved.

3:15  AAS Electronic Engineering Technology: Mechatronic/Automation/Robotics Option - Sanda Williams - Postponed at SAC request

        (NEW) AAS Degree Option:   AAS Electronic Engineering Technology: Renewable Energy Systems Option - Sanda Williams - Kendra suggested that the degree covers a broad range of areas and questioned if it might be too broad a range. Sanda stated that the degree is addressing the technology of all the fields as the technology matures. The degree is designed to open the door for other degrees as the areas grow. Kendra stated that the degree seems to be laying the claim to too broad of an area. Kendra stated that we need to be careful that we are not overlapping degrees and causing confusion for the students. John McKee stated that the person who is trained to fix electrical devises will get exposure to Renewable Energy areas but will in no way be an expert in the field. Susanne suggested a change in the outcome statement to reflect that it is more EET specific so as to clarify that it only encompasses EET options.  After discussion, the Outcome statement agreed upon was:  Students apply an understanding of the basic principles of design manufacturing operation of renewable energy technology equipment and apply those principles to renewable energy systems in the Electronic Engineering field. Sanda stated that the degree was designed to work in cooperation with the BA program at OIT. A motion was by Loretta to approve and Janeen seconded. Motion passed  to recommend this new AAS Degree Option. 

3:30 (Revision)  AS/AAOT - Scot Leavitt - MTH 111A is being inactivated by the Math SAC. They recommend that we change the AS and AAOT Math Competency statement to reflect the creation and activation of MTH 105. Currently the statement of the Math competency says MTH 111A or higher. The Math department suggests that instead of MTH 111A or higher it should say MTH 105 or higher. It is designed for students who need a college level Math class, but do not intend to go on higher with Math. Steve and Veronica questioned whether or not Math 105 would cause a problem with the prerequisites.  Scot stated that Math 105 is a “dead end” course and will not be required as a pre-requisite to any other course. The math people are requesting that the new math competency state: Complete minimum of four credits with a grade of “C” or better in MTH 105 or above with Intermediate Algebra as a prerequisite.  A motion was made by Kathleen to approve and Loretta seconded. Motion passed.

3:45 (Revision) AAS-Gerontology - Jan Abushakrah - (Revision) Certificate - Gerontology -   (New) Certificate-Gerontology: Horticultural Therapy;  (New) Certificate - Gerontology: Therapeutic Horticulture - Discussion postponed until Curriculum Committee reviews new courses.

  4:00 Rebecca Mathern Update:  Rebecca  discussed several items that need clarification over the next year as we prepare for degree audit implementation. We are doing a tiered implementation, beginning with transfer degrees. AAOT , AS, AGS in Fall 2009.  Information will need to be inputted into the Degree Audit System by Fall 2008.

  • Item One:  Pass/no pass credits. The AAOT has a maximum of pass/no pass credit hours , other degrees do not. Is this the intent of PCC? Susanne suggested Rebecca look at other community colleges in the state to see what they offer and present a recommendation to the committee at its October meeting. All agreed this was a good process.
  • Item Two: Currently we do not have a time line within which the students must apply for graduation after their course work is completed. Rebecca suggested new language ex: Within one year of the last term they attended classes after completing their degree requirements. Further discussion is needed on this item.
  • Item Three: Experimental Courses.  It appears that Experimental courses do transfer. The new audit system will not be able to distinguish between 199 topics for each course. How do we create a numbering system that meets the needs of the faculty who want to try out a course while keeping it recognizable by our new auditing system? Susanne suggested that that is a curriculum committee question.   The D/C question is: Should there be a limit on the number of 199 credits allowed?  Rebecca will discuss the course items with the Curriculum Committee.  She will also gather information from other CC about their current practices on Experimental Courses and degree completion.
  • Item Four: Revisiting of the  final 8 credits of the final 16 credits in AAS requirement.  This will be on our agenda in the Fall.
  • Item Five: AGS elective requirements with the MTH 30 and higher. MSD for the ASOT-Business, can it be used?

Veronica and Rebecca shared with the Committee members that grades of D will not be articulated into PCC up front in the near future. The process is changing so that the transcripts are evaluated upfront, as the student begins at PCC vs when the student petitions for graduation, which is current practice.  We will be accepting the first 60 credits. D grades  will be transferred in only be exception. There will be an appeal process for the D grades.  The language needs to let students/advisors know that students with D’s are not necessarily blocked out, but can appeal.  Veronica is concerned that the exception becomes the rule in the appeal process and this will cause problems with the FA and VA systems. Scott questioned that FA/VA folks would question it if we take some but not all D’s. Everyone agreed that further discussions would be required on all the aforementioned topics.

Meeting ended at 6:28pm